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‘Fox News Sunday’ on May 14, 2023



This can be a rush transcript of ‘Fox Information Sunday’ on Could 14, 2023. This copy might not be in its remaining kind and could also be up to date.

SHANNON BREAM, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I am Shannon Bream.

The Trump period border restrictions finish and that implies that President Biden now owns what occurs subsequent.

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BREAM (voice-over): File numbers of migrants flood the southern border now that three years of Title 42 restrictions are over.

Homeland Safety Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas making this declare:

ALEJANDRO MAYORKAS, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: I need to be clear: our borders aren’t open.

BREAM: The Biden administration declares new enforcement plans and a significant change to U.S. asylum coverage, however each already face authorized challenges. We’ll have a stay report from the Texas border.

Then, Democrats and Republicans lastly come to the desk to speak debt ceiling and tried to stop financial disaster. However as a high-profile assembly with the president is postponed, are they making any progress behind closed doorways?

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): We explicitly requested Speaker McCarthy, would he take default off the desk? He refused.

REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY (R-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: However I believe what we actually want is a accomplice that is prepared to work collectively.

BREAM: This morning, now we have two members of the Home Oversight Committee, Republican Byron Donalds of Florida and Democrat Ro Khanna of California, to debate the border, the debt ceiling standoff and the newest on the Home Republicans’ investigation into overseas funds made to members of the Biden household.

Then, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis attracts crowds in a number of cities in Iowa.

GOV. RON DESANTIS (R), FLORIDA: It might be that Florida is the Iowa of the southeast.

BREAM: We’ll ask our Sunday panel whether or not he can loosen the previous president’s grip on the polls on this important state.

Plus, this Mom’s Day, we head to the Nationwide Zoo, the place one very proud mother is displaying off her little ones.

All, proper now, on “FOX Information Sunday”.

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BREAM (on digicam): Hey from FOX Information in Washington.

We start this morning with developments in a pivotal week alongside the U.S.- Mexico border. That is the state of affairs you’ve gotten been seeing on TV previous few days, 1000’s of migrants displaying up, hoping to be allowed to remain on this nation. Many making the journey of the particular second as a result of the U.S. simply ended a well being restriction that had significantly blocked their entry.

Some native mayors say the quantity numbers weren’t as excessive because it feared doable, although they’re breaking information. And border cities are dealing with enormous challenges. And the migrants are dealing with a significant shift in border enforcement and in coverage.

The Biden administration asserting sweeping new guidelines that bar most immigrants from coming into for 5 years in the event that they tried to cross illegally. However the guidelines curbing asylum are already dealing with a significant authorized problem from the ACLU.

In a second, Florida Republican Byron Donald joins us to debate his state’s lawsuits over the deliberate launch of some migrants with out courtroom dates or any plans to even monitor them.

However, first, we flip to Matt Finn, who’s stay in El Paso, with a take a look at what’s actually occurring to migrants who present up on the border hoping to cross into the U.S. — Matt.

MATT FINN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Shannon.

Inside this downtown shelter, there are 140 migrant girls and youngsters outdoors because the solar comes up right here. These migrants are slowly waking up after sleeping on the road.

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FINN (voice-over): In downtown El Paso, outdoors of the overwhelmed Sacred Coronary heart shelter, migrants are unfold throughout two metropolis blocks. Sleeping on pavement and sheltering in a unclean alley, earlier than they discover the means to maneuver on to their subsequent location, within the U.S.

Not removed from that shelter, is that this level of entry on the border wall, the place the migrants arrive. They’re bused, processed and probably launched.

In Brownsville, Fox Information cameras captured this video of migrant teams who had been launched, as they’ve been on this border city for nicely over a 12 months now.

The White Home denies there are mass releases and is now promising to battle a federal decide’s ruling that the federal government can’t launch any migrant with out issuing them a courtroom date.

KARINE JEAN-PIERRE, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: So, let me simply say on the ruling that you just simply — you simply laid out to me. So, look, the best way we see that, it is sabotage. It is pure and easy, that is how that results in us.

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FINN (on digicam): And this morning, Shannon, the newest numbers from town of El Paso, it studies it has now launched 4,297 migrants into the streets right here, simply this previous week alone. That’s the highest quantity for any week this calendar 12 months — Shannon.

BREAM: Matt Finn reporting from El Paso, Texas — Matt, thanks very a lot.

Becoming a member of us now, Florida Congressman Byron Donalds.

Congressman, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

REP. BYRON DONALDS (R-FL): It is good to be again with you and pleased Mom’s Day to you, Shannon, and all of the moms on the market, together with mine.

BREAM: Sure, to all of these valuable girls doing the hardest job the world will ever ask of any of us.

Okay, so let’s begin on the border there as a result of there’s not something occurring right here in Washington so far as shifting ahead on immigration laws, aside from the Home GOP has handed one thing, in all probability will die within the Senate.

Chairman Mike McCaul has stated: That is our blueprint. If we win again the White Home, now we have the Home and Senate, that is the invoice that we’ll begin from.

However Republicans have held all of these key posts earlier than and haven’t fastened the border.

How a lot does the GOP bear blame with what we’re seeing now on the border?

DONALDS: Nicely, to start with, Shannon, good to be with you.

A few issues. Below the pres — beneath the Trump administration, we by no means noticed something like this. We truly had the border beneath management, it was safe.

We’re nonetheless making an attempt to determine some aspect items of immigration coverage general as a result of Democrats would by no means work with us on commonsense immigration insurance policies, the place the Democrats have all the time needed is that this huge surge to the border with no checks in any respect, no balances in any respect.

So, the Home Republican place is a border safety package deal that will safe the border and it was my place as nicely, in addition to Chairman McCaul’s, that is the place we’ll be shifting after we went again to the White Home in 2024. And I do stress, when.

Now, that being stated, what’s occurring now’s due to Joe Biden’s recklessness. His need when he turned president simply to tear up all of the Trump period insurance policies that truly had our border safe. And now, they’re scrambling to discover a answer to the disaster that Joe Biden created.

BREAM: So, Democrats will say, sure, it’s true, this administration removed these insurance policies, however it’s as a result of they referred to as them merciless and inhumane. They labored however they weren’t variety to the people who find themselves coming right here.

So, what do you say to them? And is there any space the place Republicans will compromise in the case of negotiating over some laws?

DONALDS: Nicely, to start with, the Democrats do that on a regular basis. They do not like a coverage, they name it merciless.

However what actually is merciless, Shannon, are the younger girls who’re being raped within the journey to our southern border. They’re being raped by the coyotes. They’re being raped by the drug cartels. They’re being raped by different males who had been of their package deal of individuals which are shifting to the border.

Quantity two, additionally inhumane, the actual fact we have given operational management to the drug cartels beneath Joe Biden’s administration. The drug cartels are going to make about $13 billion this 12 months, trafficking folks to our southern border after which they use Joe Biden’s reckless coverage to visitors huge quantities of fentanyl into our nation, killing 75,000 Individuals per 12 months. That is inhumane.

In relation to negotiations with the Democrats on this coverage, I say to them very clearly, let’s safe the border first. Let’s get it performed. Let’s end constructing the wall in doing all the opposite mechanisms which are essential for our international locations safety, and when now we have that performed, then we will speak about all of the immigration insurance policies.

However the left desires to deliver out younger youngsters who got here in via no fault of their very own, quote/unquote, and use that as a poker chip, as a leverage level to say, we needn’t safe the border. That is insane coverage for our nation. We are able to do higher.

BREAM: I need to play one thing that considered one of your colleagues stated in a listening to this week. He says Republicans truly savor the state of affairs on the border.

Here is what Congressman Hank Johnson stated about why.

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REP. HANK JOHNSON (D-GA): Republicans prefer to see them lined up on the border, as a result of they know that that is a stream of labor able to be exploited. Should you might get again to slavery, you’d gladly achieve this.

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BREAM: Your response to your colleague?

DONALDS: I haven’t got no response to Hank on this. Hank additionally thought Guam was going to tip over. So, that does not make any sense in any respect.

What Republicans need to see is a safe and orderly course of at our southern border. You may’t have a state of affairs the place a bunch of 30 or 40 migrants simply stroll as much as a border agent, and it is border agent due to Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorkas coverage, needed to cease their job of truly patrolling the border to start out submitting paperwork. That is what’s occurring. And it is unnecessary.

Once more, the Democrats give you all this hysteria. They bloviate. They — frankly, they gaslight the American folks, as a substitute of truly doing the job of securing the border. And as soon as once more, we see Joe Biden and the Democrats, they don’t have any plan. And when disaster comes, they’re flailing about looking for an answer.

BREAM: So, the opposite huge drawback that wants an answer is the debt ceiling. We’re instructed negotiations proceed via the weekend. The president’s possible we predict, to fulfill with congressional leaders subsequent week if they’ll make strikes on that.

Within the meantime, we bought a visitor essay in “The New York Occasions” by a former Hill staffer, labored on the Senate and Home Funds Committees, who says this: Republicans are those placing our lifestyle in danger with their dangerous posturing. They’re taking part in Russian roulette with America’s primacy within the world monetary system, a privileged place undergirding our lifestyle and worldwide affect.

You perceive this higher than most. You might have skilled background in banking. The dominance of the greenback at this level.

How anxious are you concerning the level he is making that actually China and Russia are rooting for the greenback to fail, for us to proceed to have monetary instability and uncertainty right here within the U.S.?

DONALDS: Pay attention, I am very involved about China and what Russia are doing, however the answer isn’t just huge borrowing and big spending. That is no answer. That is placing your head within the sand and is definitely going to guide us to a a lot higher disaster down the street.

Pay attention, I do know we simply talked concerning the border however new drawback, identical points, and the identical subject is Joe Biden would not lead, Joe Biden would not have a plan. Joe Biden would not have a method. And what Joe Biden brings America to each single time is a disaster level.

100 days in the past, Home Republicans began crafting collectively an answer to deliver our spending right down to pre-COVID spending ranges, and in addition making ready to boost the nation’s debt ceiling by $1.5 trillion. We handed that plan a few weeks in the past.

Have you learnt what Joe Biden and the Democrats had been doing? Nothing. They did nothing, besides run to the cameras and say we must always simply cross a clear debt ceiling.

Any household in any enterprise in our nation understands, you can not simply proceed to spend huge quantities of cash, and borrow huge quantities of cash and there might be no penalties. Each American household has already seen the primary consequence from Joe Biden. And that may be a huge inflation that has been essentially the most insidious tax the American folks have seen whether or not you are wealthy or poor, whether or not you are a black or white, whether or not you are a Republican or a Democrat, it has come for everyone.

So, to this Democrat staffer who would not have the braveness to share their title, I might say, sit down and be fiscally accountable. Do not go and conceal behind a reporter throwing out your speaking factors since you’re not being trustworthy and you are not telling the reality.

BREAM: So, on the problem of penalties, on this subject of default, which had been instructed us coming days probably in days if there’s been a deal, former President Trump who you have endorsed had this to say on Wednesday evening.

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DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT: I say to the Republicans on the market, congressmen, senators, if they do not provide you with huge cuts, you are going to should do a default.

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BREAM: The present president says this about default. It could elevate tens of millions of jobs, set off a session, hit retirement accounts and improve borrowing prices. It is not an possibility.

So, is it an possibility or not? Which president do you agree with?

DONALDS: Nicely, look, I might you inform you proper now, President Trump is a grasp negotiator. I do not know what Joe Biden has ever performed to barter something of substance.

Let’s be very clear, Shannon, you are going to should curtail spending. Joe Biden desires to spend $7 trillion, that is his funds. We solely soak up about $4.2 trillion to $4.5 trillion in taxes.

So, he desires to massively spend cash we do not have. He desires to massively borrow and suppose that there are not any penalties. And like I simply stated, inflation is a consequence for each American beneath Joe Biden’s reckless coverage.

So, the Home place may be very clear. Let’s go to pre-COVID spending ranges.

All people understands why we needed to ratchet up spending to reply to the pandemic. All of us get that, however the pandemic is now over. It is time to deliver spending ranges again to pre-COVID, after which we will speak about elevating the debt ceiling. And, frankly, not even speak about it, Republicans have handed that plan.

If Joe Biden brings nothing to the desk, if all he does is sit there together with his arms in his pockets, and never understanding what he has performed in a strategy to truly negotiate, then he is the one main our nation into default. And it is very unhappy factor to see.

Very last thing on this, there is a proposal that is been floating round Congress about cost prioritization. What Treasury can do is pay curiosity and principal on our debt first. That may truly stave off all this concern of this default. Then we might pay Social Safety, Medicare, pay for our army after which go down the road.

If Democrats need to proceed to run so lots of the businesses that they mainly put a bunch of their loopy insurance policies into, after which they should discover a strategy to deliver spending with Republicans so we will elevate the nation’s debt ceiling going ahead.

BREAM: I am going to ask Congressman Khanna about that coming.

However earlier than we allow you to go, since you’re on Home Oversight and a part of the position of huge paperwork that present numerous funds to totally different Biden relations from overseas accounts — from overseas actors, you stated at that press convention this week, you have stated to the press there, that is Pulitzer materials. Nicely, not all of them are shopping for it.

This from “The Washington Put up”, an opinion piece, says: What does the GOP have on Biden? A complete lot of nothin’. The committee produced no proof to recommend that Joe Biden did something in any respect to assist his son’s abroad enterprise companions, and there isn’t any proof that one penny of any funds Hunter Biden might need been paid by overseas corporations ever reached his father.

The committee (ph) set fairly excessive expectations on this. Are you anxious about overpromising and under-delivering?

DONALDS: No, I am not. Pay attention, we had been capable of doc 9 members of the Biden household who’re getting cash via Jim Biden and Hunter Biden from overseas corporations, from China and from Romania. We have documented that.

Quantity two, since when are grandchildren getting wire funds and getting cashiers checks? That undoubtedly feels like an online of corruption to me.

Quantity three, how is Hunter Biden and Jim Biden facilitating all these enterprise offers? All by themselves?

I keep in mind very clearly, Hunter Biden was on Air Pressure Two loads when Joe Biden was vice chairman. Perhaps he was simply hanging out getting, consuming a membership sandwich on Air Pressure Two? That is not true.

And quantity 4, and let’s be very clear on this one as nicely, there’s one other checking account that is simply labeled “Biden”. It would not go to Jim or Hunter or any of Hunter’s wives or girlfriends or any grandchildren. It is simply named Biden.

And we have already got Tony Bobulinski who stated that there was all the time 10 p.c for the large man. I’m wondering who the large man is. Because the one man who’s the middle of all this controversy, and admittedly, corruption, for my part, is the present president, who was the previous vice chairman, who was a United States senator for 45 years.

I might inform this opinion author to really do some investigation. Do not shut — do not shut it down as a result of anyone with fundamental widespread sense can see that the Biden household, which has no enterprise, thoughts you, no enterprise by any means, was getting cash from overseas curiosity as a result of Joe Biden has been on the heart of our politics for greater than 50 years.

BREAM: Nicely, the White Home and the president deny any wrongdoing. There are critical allegations and we are going to observe the committee’s investigation.

Congressman Donalds, thanks very a lot for being with us this morning.

DONALDS: Thanks.

BREAM: Up subsequent, we’ll response from the opposite aspect of the aisle. Congressman Ro Khanna, Democrat, joins us subsequent from a fairly vital 2024 state. We will ask him why he is there, too.

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BREAM: With the tip of Title 42, there are renewed calls from some lawmakers to speak bipartisan immigration reform.

California Democrat Ro Khanna says his social gathering is prepared to compromise on immigration insurance policies however Republicans aren’t.

Becoming a member of me now, Congressman Ro Khanna — who’s notably stay in New Hampshire, a key 2024 main state, this morning.

Congressman, welcome again to “FOX Information Sunday”.

REP. RO KHANNA (D-CA): Thanks, Shannon. Blissful Mom’s Day to all of the mothers watching as we speak.

BREAM: Sure, and blessings them.

Okay. Let’s begin with the border. This week marked the best recorded variety of folks displaying up illegally on the border. By the tip of the week, it was 82,000 folks recorded to this point.

“The Nationwide Evaluation” factors the finger at your social gathering, saying this: Democrats made this mess themselves. They dismantled the insurance policies that the Trump administration had used to get a deal with on the issue.

On the border this week, Senator Ted Cruz stated this.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX): I’ve to say, I’m offended as a result of that is deliberate. This can be a resolution that was made by President Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, and congressional Democrats, to open up the border, to what’s nothing lower than an invasion.

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BREAM: So, President Biden did eliminate Trump period insurance policies that he referred to as inhumane. You heard what Congressman Donalds stated that that is a straightforward strategy to label issues that had been truly working in his estimation.

However nothing bought performed on this administration the primary couple of years of Democrats controlling the White Home and each homes of Congress.

So, who owns this chaos now on the border?

KHANNA: Shannon, nothing has gotten performed since President Reagan signed bipartisan immigration reform in 1986. And as a substitute of throwing fingers at one another, why do not we come collectively in some widespread ideas?

We’d like a secure and safe border. And we want an orderly and humane course of. Which means Congress must act. We have to present the cash to have judges there and to have immigration officers, in order that we will truly be shortly processing the claims. The president is saying that these claims must be processed in hours, individuals who aren’t reliable must be despatched again.

We have to have more cash for Border Patrol, which by the best way, the Home has handed beneath Democratic management two years in the past. The Republicans did not vote for that.

However why not give you a bipartisan answer? That is what I need.

BREAM: Nicely, is there something that you may work with Republicans? As a result of a variety of these issues — you understand, ramping up immigration personnel, border brokers, these form of issues are included.

They are saying you guys needed to safe the border earlier than you are able to do anything. They’ve issues included of their invoice as, you understand, E-Confirm as nicely, that each one employers would have a database to ensure they’re hiring people who find themselves right here legally.

Are you against that?

KHANNA: Their invoice is excessive, even — their Senate — the Senate will not cross their invoice. I imply, their invoice takes away funding from any of the NGOs.

In El Paso, you speak to Veronica Escobar who represents that space. Why would not we wish NGOs giving water to folks coming throughout or serving to cope with the state of affairs on the border?

Their invoice is for border wall. That isn’t one thing Democrats can or will help.

However we are going to help elevated funding for Border Patrol. We’ll help elevated funding for immigration judges to shortly course of issues. We’ll help higher know-how and safety of the border. So, why not give you a compromise there?

And the president, by the best way, is doing every part he can to reverse the catch and launch. You might have border brokers now, and judges, shortly calling people who find themselves coming on the border inside hours, and lots of the people who do not have reliable — reliable claims aren’t being allowed in.

BREAM: So, simply a few latest FOX polls on this, on how the president is doing on the problem of immigration — 36 p.c approval, 61 p.c disapproval. And the way he is treating unlawful immigrants who present up, 9 p.c say too powerful, 60 p.c, the overwhelming majority on this ballot, saying not powerful sufficient.

So, regardless of the administration is doing, voters on the market don’t suppose it is efficient. They lay this on the president’s ft.

KHANNA: They perceive that there’s the border disaster proper now when it comes to folks not being handled in an orderly, secure and human course of.

However the issue is usually with Congress. I imply, now we have not offered the administration with the sources for the immigration judges or processing. We have now not offered the sources for Border Patrol. We have now not offered the sources for securing the border.

And I do not imagine this both Democratic or Republican subject. It is a each social gathering subject. I imply, President Reagan is the final president who’s gotten this performed. And since then, we have had no bipartisan settlement.

So, the query I’ve for Consultant Donaldson (ph) or others is, do you need to simply rating political factors or do you need to truly work, compromise and get one thing performed? I need to get one thing performed.

BREAM: Nicely — listened to the 2 of you, it feels like there are some nuggets there that you just do agree on. And so, we want you luck on doing that.

Within the meantime, there have been a variety of GOP senators who went to the border. They’re again right here in D.C. speaking concerning the subject of the fentanyl disaster. Here is what they needed to say.

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SEN. RICK SCOTT (R-FL): Joe Biden would not give a rattling about Individuals. And why would I say that? Seventy thousand Individuals died of fentanyl overdose. Why? Joe Biden would not care. He is a totally open border.

SEN. PETE RICKETTS (R-NE): President Biden might use this well being disaster of fentanyl poisons to implement Title 42. He might do this as we speak.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BREAM: I imagine it is GOP Senator Invoice Haggerty who’s a man that proposed legislatively to provide the facility to the president to do that, to set off Title 42 with fentanyl because the well being disaster.

Would you help that?

KHANNA: Shannon, to start with, the precise drawback with politics is what Senator Scott stated. I imply, come on, President Biden would not give a rattling about Individuals? Here is somebody who has devoted his whole life to public service.

I might by no means say that about President Trump. I might not say that he would not care about Individuals.

So, why do not we truly cope with the problems, as a substitute of those advert hominem assaults on our president?

In fact, I’ll help stronger coverage to get fentanyl out of America. I am involved about China that is been delivery it. It is unsuitable.

I’ve heard the testimony in Congress of moms who’ve misplaced their kids. And let’s remedy that. I imply, as a substitute of launching advert hominem assaults on the president.

BREAM: Okay, let’s do some lightning spherical and get to a few different issues.

The debt ceiling. There’s a name by the White Home for clear debt ceiling. There are sufficient Senators, Republicans who say that is not going to occur. They will not vote for a clear debt ceiling. It is filibuster proof there.

“The Federalist”, although, is summing up the concept that you may’t use the debt ceiling as a negotiating tact this manner. It says: If the debt ceiling is mechanically lifted with none debate over spending, then it would not actually exist. If you wish to spend with none restrict, simply say so.

What do you say?

KHANNA: We are saying that we must always pay our payments, however we’re open and imagine their must be cuts within the deficit. And this is how Democrats would do it.

We might improve taxes on the rich. We might guarantee that billionaires needed to pay at the least a 25 p.c minimal tax. We might be certain that that there have been strategic cuts in protection spending. We might finish the cap on Social Safety and have tax — taxes and have taxes over $250,000 on Social Safety.

We have now a proposal. We simply needed to first pay our payments earlier than implementing our proposal.

BREAM: Okay, let me contact on this as nicely since you additionally stated in Oversight Committee, the financial institution transactions that had been outlined by Republicans this week elevating questions on Hunter Biden, what work he was doing, and why folks — as you heard Congressman Donalds say — like grandchildren had been getting paid.

Extra questions than solutions for lots of oldsters proper now, however this is one thing else that Congressman Donalds stated this week.

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REP. BYRON DONALDS (R-FL): At any time when there was like this many corporations, simply laying in all places, and also you see wire transfers, cashier checks over right here, going the random family members to no obvious objective, on the measurement and velocity at which all of that is being carried out, the one logical conclusion of a monetary skilled is, you’re concealing cash.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BREAM: Do you’ve gotten any curiosity, any questions on these transactions?

KHANNA: Steve Doocy from FOX himself requested. He stated, there isn’t any proof of something unlawful and there isn’t any proof of something that ties it to President Biden.

I want the Home Oversight Committee would spend extra time worrying concerning the strange earnings of Individuals going up, than they’re anxious concerning the earnings of Hunter Biden. And I assume the —

(CROSSTALK)

BREAM: So, no questions?

KHANNA: Nicely, I do have — this is is my level. There’s a U.S. legal professional that President Trump appointed that’s charged to look into all of this. And I’ve confidence in him. When he comes out with one thing, I am not going to query it.

However why are we losing our time politicizing this in Congress? Let him do his job. He is a Trump appointee. He has full authority.

He can look into all of this. I am not going to query the information.

BREAM: Okay.

KHANNA: Let him do it after which, let’s conform to his course of.

BREAM: Yeah, we wait on that.

Earlier than you go, shortly, I need to ask you, you are in New Hampshire. There’s a debate about whether or not President Biden goes to spend a lot time there as a result of there’s this battle over the first calendar, and whether or not it’ll depend and who — what order.

You are anxious that he could overlook New Hampshire.

KHANNA: He must be right here. He would win the state decisively within the main. However look, persons are going to be right here for a 12 months in 2023 — Trump, DeSantis, Pence. It could be a mistake for us to not make our case.

We have got to be in New Hampshire speaking about what this president has performed in North Nation, in cities like Berlin, the place he is serving to revitalize these small rural cities, manufacturing facility cities. The president ought to come. He ought to come and provides a speech about his agenda.

BREAM: All proper. Congressman Khanna, all the time nice to see you. Thanks for dropping in as we speak.

KHANNA: Thanks.

BREAM: Former President Trump’s largest potential 2024 challenger simply barnstormed Iowa. We have got a stay report about what voters there are considering.

And we’ll deliver our Sunday group to debate the GOP rivals’ dueling visions for the social gathering.

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BREAM: Iowa’s diehard Republican voters heard firsthand this weekend from one of many former president’s potential 2024 challenges. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis touring to a number of cities in Iowa to check his message as he weighs a presidential run. There was purported to be a little bit of a showdown there with former President Trump, however he needed to cancel his rally due to twister warnings there.

Nicely, Alexis McAdams is there stay for us in Iowa this morning with a take a look at what voters are considering.

Hey, Alexis.

ALEXIS MCADAMS, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Shannon.

That is proper, we did have an opportunity to speak with a number of voters right here throughout Iowa. They inform us that they don’t like the place the nation is heading, they usually’ll again whomever will beat President Joe Biden.

We did have an opportunity to meet up with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. I requested him about what he thinks is occurring at our southern border.

Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. RON DESANTIS (R-FL): It is a catastrophe and it is a man-made catastrophe with unhealthy insurance policies. That border ought to simply be shut down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCADAMS: Now, Governor DeSantis anticipated, Shannon, to announce a presidential marketing campaign within the coming weeks. Fox Information now confirming DeSantis will transfer his political operation into a brand new base in downtown Tallahassee on Monday. That triggers disclosure necessities with federal officers right here.

And this comes as he was out in Iowa at a sequence of occasions speaking with supporters in some fairly packed occasions. Former President Donald Trump had additionally deliberate to be right here in Iowa however his group stated unhealthy climate pressured them to cancel that enormous rally.

DeSantis then seizing on the chance, stopping by Des Moines, proper about that point that Trumps rally would have taken place.

We requested voters what they suppose.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRYAN ANDERSON, IOWA VOTER: Trump’s a fantastic candidate too. I believe DeSantis is even higher. However that is what the first’s for. You have to duke it out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCADAMS: And endorsements, Shannon, are rolling in on each side right here. We checked in with DeSantis’ group, who tells us that they’ve dozens of supporters, together with three dozen Republican legislators from Iowa backing him to be the subsequent president. And Donald Trump says he has the backing of greater than 100 native elected officers within the Hawkeye state.

Shannon.

BREAM: All proper, we’ll see in the event that they’re each formally be working quickly.

Alexis McAdams in Iowa.

Thanks, Alexis.

It’s time now for our Sunday group. Fox Information correspondent and former nationwide safety council staffer, Gillian Turner, “Forbes” contributing author Richard Fowler, former Bush White Home adviser Karl Rove, and syndicated columnist Cal Thomas, additionally the writer of the brand-new e book, “A Watchman within the Night time.”

Welcome to all of you. Nice to have you ever right here as we speak.

OK, so that you heard concerning the competing endorsements there in Iowa.

Karl, DeSantis is not even formally working but, however Trump outpacing him there. Does it matter?

KARL ROVE, FORMER BUSH WHITE HOUSE ADVISER AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Nicely, we’re firstly of this course of. Bear in mind, Hillary Clinton was means forward in Iowa of a – of a fellow named Barack Obama and – and was upset on caucus evening.

I, frankly, thought it was an excellent begin for DeSantis. He properly did – in Iowa they prefer to see you up shut and private. They do not need to be a part of a ten,000 individual crowd of a 5,000 — they need to see you up shut and private. And he had a number of occasions like that. And I believed it was good.

I used to be very impressed together with his legislative endorsements. The Republican Senate president and the Republican Home chief each endorsed him, together with 30 of their colleagues. That is a powerful – a powerful begin and he is being hosted by the Republican congressman in western Iowa, Randy Feenstra, and that is – that is a Republican stronghold in the case of the caucus.

BREAM: In the meantime this week, on the city corridor, former President Trump very a lot defending as if he is already the nominee. I imply that was deafly his statue there, though Marc Thiessen referred to as it a three-alarm dumpster fireplace for the GOP. “Axios” studies it this manner. A supply acquainted with the Biden marketing campaign’s considering instructed “Axios” Sophia Cai that Trump’s city corridor present weeks’ price of damning content material in a single hour.

Gillian.

GILLIAN TURNER, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL STAFFER AND FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Marc’s not the one one to name it a dumpster fireplace. You understand, I — I believe it acquired widespread criticism on an entire – for an entire host of various causes. To me they billed the occasion as a GOP main city corridor, but for some motive they determined to not press the previous president on the problems that Republican voters, together with his personal supporters, truly care about. They spent an inordinate period of time asking him about January sixth, asking him about his allegations that the 2020 election was stolen, asking him concerning the accusations from E. Jean Carroll. None of these points are issues that his supporters and the Republican Get together need to speak about at giant. It appeared a missed alternative to really – in the event that they had been going to cater to Republican voters, looks like that was the second to take action.

BREAM: Nicely, one of many points that did come up was abortion, which we bought a sign from the Trump marketing campaign weeks in the past that he would not be for a federal ban. Here is what – this is how a “Wall Road Journal” studies it. They are saying, when an viewers member requested what he would say to girls anxious about final 12 months’s U.S. Supreme Courtroom resolution overturned the suitable to abortion, Mr. Trump instructed her the choice was a fantastic victory and brag about his position in nominating conservative justices to the excessive courtroom. On the identical time, he refused to say whether or not he would signal a federal abortion ban.

And, Cal, simply to be clear, it clearly despatched this again to the states. However this subject of whether or not or not he would log off on a federal ban, he actually demurred on that.

CAL THOMAS, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Nicely, you understand, the Democrats used to say they needed abortion secure, authorized and uncommon. I believe pro-lifers want to start out specializing in the uncommon. I believe these of us who’re pro-life have been on the unsuitable finish of this, are you making an attempt to defend ourselves in opposition to prices of rape, incest, life within the mom.

The opposite aspect of the argument is extra highly effective. Would you be OK with abortion up till the second of supply? How concerning the eighth month? How concerning the seventh month? With viability? I believe there is a a lot stronger argument. Polls present that is the place a majority of the American persons are. You are all the time going to have abortion, you are all the time going to have crime and these different issues. However we will scale back it with the suitable coverage. And I believe arguing it from the opposite perspective, the start of life at 9 months, eight months, seven months, when the fetus may be viable outdoors the mom, is a a lot better strategy to go, politically and morally.

BREAM: OK, within the midst of all of this, when, you understand, voters and polls inform us on each side, persons are not tremendous excited a few 2020 rematch, there’s a variety of, you understand, whispering a few third-party potential contender. Axios says this headline, Manchin flirts with Iowa voters. Says he took time from his busy Senate scheduled to inform a gathering of Iowa enterprise and neighborhood leaders Wednesday in D.C. that he is fiscally accountable and socially compassionate. One other trace that he is contemplating a possible third-party presidential bid.

One other attention-grabbing piece, Richard, out of “Axios,” they speak to a bunch of swing voters in Georgia who stated, in the event that they’re confronted with this rematch in 2020 however anyone who was unbiased and had the monetary backing to really win this factor, they’d vote for that individual, or at the least contemplate it.

RICHARD FOWLER, FORBES CONTRIBUTING WRITER AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Look, I believe there’s all the time this flirtation with a 3rd social gathering. And I – and now we have Karl Rove right here, so he might speak about this.

Right here is the issue, for a lot of third social gathering candidates they lack the infrastructure to get on the poll in lots of of those states which creates an issue for them. I believe when you concentrate on, if there is a potential rematch between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, the latest ABC ballot that got here out that exhibits some – I imply the media that is been fodder within the beltway. However the fact of the matter is, I believe for a lot of American voters they’re taking a look at it and saying, look, the election is eighteen months away. There’s a variety of time right here.

And we’re additionally taking a look at our wallets. We see that inflation is on its means down. It is stubbornly excessive. Now, let’s not take away from that. However it appears to be on its means down and we’re now on the point of see lots of the insurance policies that Joe Biden has – Joe Biden – Joe Biden handed, together with the bipartisan infrastructure invoice, begin to make its means into place. And we’ll see what that appears like. And I believe that is what voters are going to determine on.

BREAM: So, Karl, would a Manchin candidacy, which candidate could be most damage by that, in your estimation?

ROVE: We don’t know. Look, to start with, there might be a – in all probability a no social gathering’s label on the poll.

BREAM: And so they’re doing the infrastructure (INAUDIBLE).

ROVE: As a result of they – they’re spending $50 million. I’ve seen their plan and their plan is meticulous, well-staffed by attorneys and being executed. And I – you understand, in 2016, I assume it was, we had a third-party candidate who bought on 24 state ballots and was on — acquired write-in ballots in one other 11. I believe there are going to be 51 jurisdictions this 12 months. The District of Columbia, and 50 states, with a no social gathering, no labels social gathering candidate (INAUDIBLE).

Who that candidate goes to be, I do not know. If it is Joe Manchin, we do not know the way that is going to play out. Is Joe Manchin, if he had been the candidate, going to attraction extra to individuals who would possibly in any other case vote for Republicans or centrist Democrats? Or is it going to be, you understand, kind of a pox on each your home? We do not – that is going to be probably the most unpredictable presidential elections that we have seen in our lifetime, if not essentially the most. However it’s — there might be a no labels candidate, I think, as a result of they will have a label and he ain’t bought an excellent place to go residence and run for the re-election to the U.S. Senate. West Virginia, which went for Donald Trump by 40 some odd votes, is just not going to be significantly enthusiastic about voting for a Democrat from the Senate.

BREAM: He is bought somewhat bother there primarily based on votes on issues for the – issues referred to as the Inflation Discount Act and different issues like that.

Within the meantime, “Washington Put up” is asking on the present president, who’s working for re-election, for not doing press. They are saying they promise transparency however he is stonewalling the media as he runs for a second time period. He must be keen to indicate he can deal with all facets of the job.

Cal.

THOMAS: My favourite line in that editorial is, the media is just not your enemy. Now, when “The Washington Put up” has to inform a Democrat that the media is just not your enemy, what does that imply? You understand, they used to fault Ronald Reagan for not holding extra press conferences, however the American folks need to see their president and really feel that he’s succesful, particularly proper now when there’s a lot stuff on the market within the water, saying that he’s displaying all the indicators of psychological decline. And that is critical stuff. And we have got to search out out if the man is supplied for a second time period. He’d be 82 if he received. He’d be 86 when he left.

Look, Biden and I are the identical age. He is a – he is a month older than I’m. However I am clear and I am articulate, as he as soon as stated about Barack Obama.

BREAM: Are you working? Is that what you are doing right here asserting –

THOMAS: I am working from workplace is what I am doing, sure.

BREAM: Cal is asserting he is working for president.

All proper, panel, thanks very a lot.

We will take a fast break right here.

Up subsequent, the rising battle between Home Republicans and the FBI over a whistleblower doc as investigations into the Biden household divide Washington and Capitol Hill.

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NANCY MACE (R-SC): For years the left has stated nobody is above the legislation. Nicely, put your cash the place your mouth is.

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BREAM: South Carolina Republican Nancy Mace calling on Democrats and the press to look into paperwork Republicans offered this week concerning the Biden household with the identical vitality they expended investigating former President Trump.

We’re again now with the panel.

All proper, I need to put up these two opposing headlines right here. “Nationwide Evaluation” says it this manner, Bidens used net of shell corporations to hide overseas money, financial institution information obtained by Home GOP reveal. However “The New York Occasions,” identical response to — totally different responses to the identical occasion says, Home Republican report finds no proof of wrongdoing by President Biden.

Karl, the place does the reality lie? Someplace in between? Is that this a Rorschach take a look at on how you’re feeling concerning the Bidens?

ROVE: Nicely, they’re all kind of semi-accurate however — however let’s be trustworthy about it, these items stinks! The vice chairman of the USA, in 2016 – or 2014 is a man named Joe Biden. And his son will get arduous by an – by a pure fuel firm in Ukraine, which is beneath examination as a result of it is – it is corrupt oligarch boss and proprietor is – is taking part in footsie with Moscow and doing unhealthy issues. There’s just one motive they employed him, he was the son of the vice chairman of the USA. They’d just lately employed the longtime bag man and confidant of the – of the secretary of state, John Kerry, who really helpful his enterprise accomplice, Hunter Biden, be on the board. And we all know {that a} couple years later he made 1,000,000 three from this and a corrupt Romanian oligarch.

When the president — vice chairman goes to Ukraine in 2015, NGOs concerned within the anti-corruption efforts say it actually stinks to have the man from the USA, who’s been detailed by President Obama to return and lecture us on combating corruption to have his son be on the payroll of a corrupt firm.

Now, put a Republican in there. What if it had been, you understand, Jenna Bush had been employed whereas her father was president, or Liz Cheney had been employed whereas her father was vice chairman? Would we are saying there’s one thing smelly right here?

And, now, possibly they did not violate a legislation, however the vice chairman of the USA, we have got to ask him a pair questions. Did he know upfront that – when his son went on there and did he have an issue with it and did folks contained in the administration say, you understand what, it actually would not assist our effort to encourage anti-corruption efforts when your son is on the payroll of a corrupt firm.

This stinks! And I am glad they put that stuff out. And, in fact, everybody has like 11 LLCs for his or her household names. And, you understand, you – you – you get cash from overseas — from Romania and Ukraine and Kazakhstan and also you give it to your grandkid and your sister and your brother-in-law and your spouse’s blah blah and blah blah.

BREAM: Nicely, Richard –

KARL: I imply this is rather like loopy (INAUDIBLE).

BREAM: You are itching over right here, however what about these questions? What was Hunter Biden truly doing and why had been grandkid getting checks?

FOWLER: Certain. Pay attention, I – I believe that this committee has set excessive expectations. And I am not going to defend the non-public criticize, Hunter Biden, however there’s a few issues right here. Primary, we have seen elected officers’ households have interaction in enterprise practices earlier than. I level to the previous president and his kids who labored on the White Home after which did enterprise out of the White Home, however I digress.

Let’s speak about what this committee has put out right here. They put out data that is been reported earlier than by each “The New York Occasions” and “The Washington Put up.” They set excessive expectations behind a podium in entrance of cameras.

What I need to see this committee do is now get behind a dais and if they’ve this proof they usually imagine it is sizzling and its good like we heard the congressman say earlier, then have a committee listening to, subpoena some folks. After which whenever you’re performed subpoenaing some folks, ship suggestions to the Justice Division on who they need to prosecute. If not, then cease standing behind a podium and cease standing in entrance of cameras. It is all we have seen since they’ve taken the gavel.

And let’s – let’s remind — let’s remind – let’s remind the American those that this investigation began in the USA Senate after they had been beneath Republican management in 2018. If you do not have the proof by now, the place is it?

BREAM: Nicely, and that is a query, too, about what the U.S. legal professional is doing with respect to Hunter Biden. That investigation began in 2018 too. We’re ready for solutions there.

I need to get to –

ROVE: I am glad Richard has kind of laid the predicate. So when — if the U.S. legal professional in Delaware indites Hunter Biden –

FOWLER: Certain.

ROVE: He’ll say that is an excellent factor to have occur?

BREAM: OK.

FOWLER: Certain. Certain, completely. Completely.

BREAM: OK, I need to – I need to be certain that we hit on one other authorized case, although, and that is Daniel Penny, who has been cost within the dying of Jordan Neely on the subway. He is dealing with as much as 15 years in jail. He is out on bail proper now. However Donte Mills, who’s an legal professional for Jordan Neely’s household, a younger man who was clearly struggling , they need harder prices. Here is what that legal professional stated.

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DONTE MILLS, NEELY FAMILY ATTORNEY: There was no assault. Mr. Neely didn’t assault anybody. He didn’t contact anybody. He didn’t hit anybody. However he was choked to dying. And that may’t stand.

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BREAM: I imply, Cal, there’s loads we do not know on this case, however we all know that these prices are shifting ahead.

THOMAS: Sure, nicely, that by no means stops anyone from speculating. You might have the rhino, Al Sharpton, reverend in title solely, on the market, identical to he did with Tawana Brawley, making every kind of unfounded statements. This was a person, clearly, as you indicated, who had psychological troubles. He has a historical past of harassing, particularly girls, on the subways. And it is attention-grabbing although that the crowdfunding amount of cash now has exceeded $1 million for his protection. It will be attention-grabbing to see what comes out within the trial.

A United States Marine veteran, in opposition to a man who had critical behavioral and psychological issues, with a historical past of harassing girls, and 40 different prices in opposition to him. And Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district legal professional, who likes diminishing felony prices to misdemeanors. I believe the Marine has bought every part on his aspect, even with a New York jury.

BREAM: Sure, it should undergo a grand jury after which to a jury.

“The Wall Road Journal” is anxious about this. They are saying, even when Mr. Penny is acquitted by a jury, the fees in opposition to him will certainly deter different potential Samaritans from intervening to subdue a seemingly harmful individual and even to cease a theft or assault. Should you do and one thing goes unsuitable in New York, you may be the one prosecuted.

Gillian, it is a huge talker this week.

TURNER: It’s. You could possibly additionally argue that somebody ending up lifeless is just not merely one thing going unsuitable. There’s a variety of methods during which folks can intervene to guard their fellow residents. That is coming from somebody – I grew up driving the subway in Manhattan. I lived there till I used to be, I believe, 22. I have been every kind of harassed, intimidated. This isn’t Sunday morning dialog, however anyone uncovered themselves to me on the subway. I’ve lived this, proper? It may be terrifying. One thing needs to be performed to try to assist folks stay their lives. On the identical time, stepping in for self-defense, and defend different passengers, can’t embody people ending up lifeless.

BREAM: Sure, prosecutors should present that Penny brought about Neely’s dying and did so recklessly, which means he knew the chokehold might kill Neely and unreasonably selected to use it anyway.

Very fast, remaining phrase.

FOWLER: Nicely, hear, I believe, let’s be very clear, I agree with Gillian. However let’s keep in mind, being a panhandler, being homeless and having a psychological sickness is just not a dying sentence. And when you’re a veteran, it is best to know that this individual wasn’t making an attempt to trigger hazard and that you may nonetheless be an excellent Samaritan and never kill anyone.

BREAM: Sure. He could have thought. We’ll see what the jury thinks.

Thanks, panel. We’ll see you subsequent Sunday.

Up subsequent on this Mom’s Day, I am going to take you behind the scenes to fulfill an precise mama bear elevating two lovable cubs as a part of a important examine of the Smithsonian Nationwide Zoo.

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BREAM: And now somewhat Mom’s Day sweetness for you.

Zoo lovers went gaga final fall when beloved Andean bear Brienne gave start to 2 lovable cubs. They’re going to be six months outdated tomorrow. So, the Smithsonian Zoo invited us in behind the scenes for an up shut go to with the cubs and the mother, who cherished displaying them off.

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LEIGH PITSKO, ASSISTANT CURATOR OF ANDEAN BEARS, GREAT CATS: Ian was the one which was boulder first, and Sean was somewhat shy. And now I believe that reversed.

BREAM (voice over): Meet Ian and Sean, the Smithsonian Nationwide Zoo’s adorably playful Andean bear cubs.

PITSKO: They’re out within the morning from about 9 to 11. And so they’re tremendous charismatic to return and watch. And the cubs going up the tree, it is only a very nice little spot within the zoo.

BREAM: They had been born of the autumn and stayed quietly snuggled up with their doting mom, Brienne, for months. However now they’re allowed to roam and climb bushes and even fall, however beneath Brienne’s love supervision.

PITSKO: Andean bears are very particular. One of many causes is they’re listed as weak on the IUCN Purple Listing. And there is considered possibly lower than 18,000 of those guys within the wild.

BREAM: The household is a useful presence on the zoo as a result of bears are tough to check of their pure habitats.

PITSKO: We accumulate behavioral information on every part they do, on daily basis. And we will share that data with others zoos, we will share it with researchers within the wild and to assist promote the conservation of those bears.

BREAM (on digicam): And with all of that, they’ve very distinct personalities too!

PITSKO: They do. Sean is all the time extra social than Ian. He is on the high of the tree on a regular basis. So, they’re actually, actually candy bears. And we’re fortunate to have them right here.

BREAM (voice over): We had been with Leigh Pitsko for a small however hilarious cub first.

PITSKO: That is their first field. So, we’ll see how they prefer it. And it has peanuts inside and hay and Brienne loves each of these issues.

BREAM: The cubs love the goodies.

PITSKO: They find it irresistible.

BREAM: And Brienne referred to as dibs on the cardboard field.

The cubs father, Quito, is simply as candy as they’re, and simply as prepared for a snack.

PITSKO: Right here he comes.

BREAM (on digicam): Oh, Quito.

PITSKO: Look, he is all moist. So, he was simply within the pool.

BREAM: You had been within the pool.

So, we bought an opportunity to fulfill Quito. He’s a giant, stunning, spectacular bear, however you stated he is additionally one of many sweetest.

PITSKO: Sure. Quito is 340 kilos, and he has the sweetest temperament of just about all of our animals right here.

BREAM: You just like the peanuts too!

PITSKO: He is everybody’s favourite. And he is additionally very genetically invaluable. He got here to us from a zoo in Germany. And I used to be lucky sufficient to go and choose him up and produce him on the airplane residence.

BREAM (voice over): Pitsko says she is aware of the child bears are a straightforward promote to crowds who go to the zoo. And he or she hopes that as they develop, younger guests’ pursuits in animals will develop as nicely.

PITSKO: After I was a child I cherished going to zoos and it impressed me to do what I am doing now. And I hope it does the identical factor for youths that come. They’ll study that there is easy issues that they’ll do to guard these animals.

BREAM: So, most of us go to work – now we have some coworkers, could we really feel like a few of them are bears after they’re having a foul day, however you actually are right here with animals all day. What’s it like? That is your workplace.

PITSKO: Sure, it is superb. Particularly on this little nook of the zoo, it is so peaceable and quiet. It is only a pretty place to be at work.

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BREAM: And only a observe, by the best way, my podcast, “Livin the Bream” has dropped new this morning. This Mom’s Day week I chat with writer Bethany Mandel. We talked concerning the joys and fulfilment to be present in probably the most underappreciated jobs on the market, motherhood.

And you may hear all of as we speak’s program on the FOX NEWS SUNDAY podcast. Obtain and subscribe at foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you prefer to get your podcasts.

That’s it for us as we speak. Thanks for becoming a member of us. I am Shannon Bream. Blissful Mom’s Day to my mama, Marie, and to Gillian, giving us a part of her Mom’s Day, becoming a member of us on the panel too.

Have a fantastic week on the market. Have a good time your mothers. We’ll see you subsequent FOX NEWS SUNDAY.

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